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Message # 732188.8.131.52.184.108.40.206
Subject: Re:Skirts/Pants paradox
Date: Sun 06/05/18 16:00:22 GMT
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|I think the issue is what was, is, or has become fashionable. Once upon a time, fashionable was tidy, clean/crisp lines. Now, it's rips, untucked shirt-tails or thong panties peeking out from under another layer, denim covered in any or all of patches, corporate logos, rhinestones, studs, chains, etc. and t-shirts also adorned with corporate logos or obscene or mock-obscene language. What some women wear as "height of fashion" I would see as thrown together to do painting or rough work. I think a lot of this sort of trend originated with MTV and its counterparts. Every music act had to release a video along with every new single (or album track) they put out. Those videos got worldwide public exposure. The creatives behind them had to make their video stand out from all the rest. So, the musicians or other figures appearing in them dressed in ever more outlandish, sometimes shocking ways. The kids watching them had to emulate their favorites, and lo and behold, it becomes fashion.|
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By EdR - email@example.com Sun 06/05/18 06:04:54 GMT
Actually I too love vintage fashions….Age-wise I'm not too far behind you and I would say that I was born into wetlook because I was into it since I was a child. I love the fashion styles from the 40's 50's 60's and the 70's. I'm not against anything newer, so long as it's stylish (and someday it will become vintage too.)
I have been considering a vintage inspired page to our site but I'm a stickler for details and I would want authentic accessories to go with the vintage outfits and that could get a bit expensive and I might also shoot it in a vintage style or use classic techniques….Btw we did do a few sets featuring vintage outfits.
And yes, much of our current sets do feature modern clothing….. I'm not against it because I can be attracted to modern fashions too. I just happen to think that the more inappropriate an outfit is for getting wet in, the better it is for wetlook, no matter if it's fashion from the past or something that is hot off the rack today. My desire for the models to get involved in picking outfits is a small detail we think adds to the overall quality of our production.
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By MK - firstname.lastname@example.org Sun 06/05/18 00:57:58 GMT
I am sure they did choose their own clothes - but that is the style of the wetlook videos you make. i.e. modern clothing. I guess I am showing my age here, but I developed my wetlook interests decades earlier and therefore my style is more like David Wilkey of Artscene....i.e. I was a teenager in the 1960's and 70's, so all of my preferred fashions are "vintage wetlook" mostly from the 1970's, in an era where girls did not have tattoos and wore bell bottom jeans, miniskirts and go go boots. I plead guilty in NOT letting the girls choose their own wardrobe, because they would end up choosing modern fashions instead of the vintage clothing I preferred. My fashion tastes are the same as my tastes in music....i.e. love the 60's and 70's, could tolerate the 80's but hated everything in the 90's and beyond.
I dare say if I were born in the 1980's I would like modern wetlook fashions, but actually I would have preferred to have been born in the 1920's because the 20's to 40's fashions were also of interest to me.
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By EdR - email@example.com Sat 05/05/18 23:10:13 GMT
"I could be completely off-base here, and I wish Lisa or Leon had chimed in. But without their input I am inclined believe that the girls (particularly in the most recent "Just Dunked" videos) choose their own outfits."
I can't speak for them but, I can tell you that here at "A Splash of Glamour" The models choose their outfits, and many wear their own clothes.
|In reply to Message (732126.96.36.199) Re:Skirts/Pants paradox
"I actually prefer modeled wetlook because yes, we can control what the models wear."
I could be completely off-base here, and I wish Lisa or Leon had chimed in. But without their input I am inclined believe that the girls (particularly in the most recent "Just Dunked" videos) choose their own outfits. A few are casually dressed, but the vast majority seem to be in dresses. Mostly satin or other materials that become transparent when wet. I think this is because they get a cut of the sales, and they have learned what sells.
Although I would hate to be proven wrong, I will (of course) defer to more knowledgeable people. In the end, I'm glad the videos are $2 each, and buy-two-get-one-free. Otherwise, I'd be broke! :(
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By EdR - firstname.lastname@example.org Fri 04/05/18 21:56:45 GMT
I'd like to interject a few things here. MK is naturally correct, generally speaking. I began producing my own material because there was a niche in wetlook that I felt wasn't represented and I decided to do that
As to the 3 kinds of wetlook. Modelled wetlook is what we do. I actually find issues with 1) Candid and 2) TV and movie wetlook. As to candid, the girls may actually choose their own clothes and for some this may be the appeal. But In my opinion, most girls don't know how to dress themselves. Today everyone dresses casually, and while that's absolutely ok, it's also often the case that casual can be a bit sloppy. Casual is a pair of jeans and some sort of shirt and typically flip flops. I personally liked the fashions of yesterday when women would dress up to go shopping or jump on an airplane. They took pride in their appearance in public. For me, there is a greater appeal to see a well dressed woman get wet, but most candid scenes are just too casual for my tastes.
TV and Movie wetlook is what I had access to when I was growing up as a kid. And it was always either hit or miss. Some scenes may have been pretty good, but most of the time, I was disappointed. Typically when a good wetlook scene occurred, the show went to commercial. And when you returned, the scene was over. The most frustrating kinds of disappointments were shows which always featured really well dressed actresses for the entire show. Except when a wetlook scene was part of the script. Its as if the actresses had "wetlook ESP" and they woke up and said to themselves. "I better not wear that sexy one piece dress with the plunging neckline and those high heels because I predict that today I'll be trapped in a water tank fighting for my life, or caught in the rain. So let me put on this pair of jeans and cheap sneakers and go casual"! Need an example? the original Charlie's Angels!!! Three gorgeous women but nearly every wetlook scene, they always seemed to somehow know to dress down. Sure they can kick ass in that hot 70s disco dress and run after criminals in high heels, but if they got near water, they were ready for it in casual clothes and shoes.
I actually prefer modeled wetlook because yes, we can control what the models wear. Theres no need to be disappointed in sloppy, casual and ill fitting clothes that normal girls who can't dress themselves, wear. And we don't have "wetlook ESP" or commercial breaks that end the scene
For me, the more inappropriate an outfit is for getting wet, the better! Flip flops, never! Jeans? Yes, but only if it complements the entire look. High heels? Definitely! "Dry Clean only" It's going in my pool. Leather and Lace? You'll see it underwater.
BTW, in case you didn't know, most of our models participate in the outfit selections. In some situations they wear their own clothes and their own high heels for our shoots.
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By MK - email@example.com Fri 04/05/18 17:42:23 GMT
Good topic for discussion. Bear in mind that there are 3 kinds of wetlook
1) Candid Wetlook or Public Wetlook: where the girls choose their own clothes based upon the latest fashion trends and their own personal tastes...I call this "real wetlook"
2) TV and Movie Wetlook: where the producer and director determine what the wardrobe department hands to the girls...so the choices made are based on scripts and getting ratings.
3) Modelled Wetlook: where all the clothing choices are entirely the vision of the wetlook producer, and is pandered wetlook -- not necessarily the girls choices
What your preferences are (as a male) over women's clothing may not be relevant. If women's clothing choices were based on what the majority of males prefer, then most women on this planet would still be like Eve before she bit the apple.
I cannot speak for others, but I can speak for myself and say that I feel a fetish interest for me is always something that is "rare" and is in the minority. If a subject is the majority...then it is "common" and uninteresting to me. In the 1960's and 70's wet t shirt scenes used to be interesting to me, but today they are so common and passe they no longer interest me.....so if something is in the minority that is a good thing for me.
But the real reason that most wetlook producers shoot jeans and pants as opposed to skirts and dresses is a simple one....all wetlook producers interject their own personal tastes into their media and the majority of wetlook producers are hobbyists who just want to pursue their hobby and have some fun, so they create media to please themselves, and they do not aim to pander to a general audience. The larger commercial producers are far more diversified in their content offerings, because they have large production expenses so they cater to a wider audience to cover their costs.
Russ Meyer was a cult movie director who only produced movies that always had women with gigantic breasts in every film.....because that was his style...you never saw a woman with small breasts in his films.. It really does not matter what the majority wants....if you make the decision to become a wetlook producer you will create your own style and adopt your own preferences.
Bear in mind that is how most wetlook producers got started in the first place, because they were not satisfied with what others were doing, so they decided to do stuff themselves. In my case, I thank Hugh Hefner of Playboy for inspiring me, because when he released his "Wet and Wild" video series, those were so lack lustre and off the mark for me, I decided that if nobody was doing what liked, then I would my hire own models and do stuff myself. I once remember doing a wetlook shoot in the 1990's where I had all the girls wearing "Dynasty dresses" (silky dresses with shoulder pads....that I acquired from an antique clothing store). The girls were laughing and complaining about having to wear these dresses....saying they were old fashioned and out of style....and I had to explain to them that their opinions did not matter...because were were not shooting this video for their benefit...but for fetish fans. Similarly I had numerous arguments with the models over underwear.....because most of them preferred to wear g string or thongs....and they hated me because we were always giving them larger style underwear to wear. The girls were always saying to me "oh no......do we have to wear Granny panties again". Not to mention all the debates I had with models when we asked them to wear pantyhose....which they hated.
|In reply to Message (73296) Skirts/Pants paradox
I like to see wet skirts and dresses since I was a child. I always download sets where a skirt or a dress appears. I prefer long skirts/dresses.
However, most of material you can find at wetlook webpages is about pants, leggings, trousers...
I don't know, I guess guys prefers pants than skirts, which is totally reasonable, respectable and I don't have anything to argue of. However, it is curious to see some pages where guys prefer girls wearing skirts than pants, for example this one:
where 74% of guys prefer to see girls in skirts. How is it possible, then, to have a so huge percentage of wetlook material with pants/trousers? Does this means that in wetlook is preferably to see this kind of clothing instead of skirts?
I know that there are producers that have a lot of material with skirts, but in my opinion the material offered with pants/leggings/trousers is might be over 85% of all the wetlook material, something that I don't understand.
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to discuss it.
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