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Message # 69031.1.1.1.1.1.1 Subject: leonmoomin is right Date: Wed 21/12/16 02:26:39 GMT Name: X_Wet_X Website: https://www.youtube.com/user/XWetX |
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The copyright holder is the creator and unless this person has explicitly marked is as public domain or similar licenses (or you get the permission of the copyright holder for redistribution), it is his!
I have a youtube channel with wetlook candid videos on it, which I all shot by myself. If I decide at one point that I will delete them for whatever reason, I will still hold the copyright and nobody is allowed to share them. You can still have your "private copy", if you downloaded them (this is permitted by the copyright laws of many countries), but you can not share or sell them without my permission. It is the same with a mix tape: if you have a radio and record music on it, it is usually fine, if it is only for personal use. However you can't sell these tapes, even if you just ask for the price of an empty cassette.
Copyrights expire, that's true. But that takes a lot more than a few years: usually at least 70 years (thanks to Disney) in most American and European countries (and 50 years in Asia). I don't think that you have any material on your website that is that old.
The only thing that protects you from legal troubles at the moment is "nullo actore nullus iudex" = the people whose copyrighted material you are selling, do know about you selling it, hence didn't sue you yet. |
In reply to Message (69031.1.1.1.1.1) Re:Not to start something, I just like all sides heard
By leonmoomin - Leon@mostwam.com Tue 20/12/16 12:16:35 GMT Hi
You're quoting a different law.
The right to shoot in Public, isn't the same law as copyright.
You are correct that you can video people in Public. There isn't really a law that prevents you doing that, so long as the subject matter doesn't in itself break any laws. You own that media, because YOU created it.
The difference here is that someone else created the videos and as such, THEY own the copyright.
The copyright ALWAYS belongs to the creator of any media, unless otherwise authorised by said creator. It does not matter if they put it on YouTube for free, they still own that media, because they created it. Linking to it on YouTube where it was originally posted, isn't the same as uploading it somewhere else.
Like I said, it's your choice and I personally think the people who originally created the videos are very unlikely to find it or cause issue. Just be aware of the laws, if by some chance they did find it, they would possibly have grounds for action.
Leonmoomin
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In reply to Message (69031.1.1.1.1) Re:Not to start something, I just like all sides heard
By Babyspet - samlovesdachshunds@gmail.com Tue 20/12/16 03:15:51 GMT Website: http://www.babyspet.com// babyspet.com Hey Leon:
Not to disput you at all, but what we do is try and use anything put up in in space (sort of speak) Like it was brought up awhile back on this forum....PUBLIC videos/pictures in public as long as it not of underage children.. I know this law well, because in a certain city (nameless) I was challenged by 3 cops and a female detective.. I was just videoing people in an outdoor park in a river , short, full clothes or swim suits.....Well they come up behind me and asked for my camera..sure I even showed em how to use it...(this all came to pass by some jerkoff kid who was smartmouthing me the day before and told police untrue things I was doing appearantly...But anyhow they went thru the camera and then wanted to go to my car...Sure I had nothing to hide, but they saw addition media cards in the car and then this female detective started to really harris me, so I gave it right back in LAW terms.... I told them I was not shooting any unclean act and I had a lawful right in a public place to shoot video or take pictures of people having fun..I let them know real quick that cameras were all over the city photographing people from end to end..The only place was in your own home...Since I brought that up, they realized I was doing nothing wrong at all and then left me alone... But what I am saying Leon is People shoot in public videos and then post them on line to these servers to get attention...They are NOT into monitary profit. And this is what I collect as we all know soon these clips are long gone...How many times on the forum does someone aske HELP...Lost Video......Someone out there has collected it, just I wised up to keep all the collection from 15 years back and such to release them now....Hells bells Nigel would go spastic if I posted 600 youtubes and other medias links all in one post... So I just bought a domain and server space....That cost money just to give stuff away....Of course we have to charge something for cost and our time....BUT Like I said I will NOT deliberately steal other producers material..., but sometimes it happens as it gets past our sensors checking material for originality, not stolen...I have ran across many things I have collected of your stuff Nigel, but I got enough common sense not to claim mine and post it...I am not that person...I have been on this forum since many newcomers now were in diapers or even a spert in they're pappas bag....But if folks in public do not want to be posted to any place on the internet, it is advisable to NOT wave a red flag at the bull to get attention, which is what most do. One other thing copyrite must be bought and has an expiration date on it and as a former Disc Jockey, this is why many songs are or are not re recordered...The songwriter is the only one to have copyrites to it, not the singer or producer or record label.. Copyrites are just like patents..they don't last forever and for people who just have a little fun, they are way way too expensive to take out.....Only major corperations or large firms or producers will do this...not jane or john doe...right......
Any how..like to say not bitching bout anything or want a feud here people, just I wanted for many people to see what they have missed long long ago...Who else is going to give it to them? At least I am trying to make a contribution here and from the members of babyspet.com they seem to like it, cause we have an endless supply of material still available and each year that passes means new people to the forum and old videos have gone by the wayside, so Babyspet.com is the place to see these old classics. Hope all enjoy and thanks for listening...just everyone get along in this old mean world.
BPi |
In reply to Message (69031.1.1.1) Actually!
By leonmoomin - Leon@mostwam.com Mon 19/12/16 21:49:54 GMT Just to clarify where most of the world stands on copyrights.
The producer or person who created the video owns the copyright and the right to control how their media is distributed. It matters very little what their intent was when they first posted the media, they still own the rights. That means, that unless you have permission from the the person who originally created the media, to distribute the media, you are in breach of their copyright. Particularly if that media then sold. As such, you do leave yourself open to claims and damages.
However, it is unlikely that the original creators of these videos will ever find it on your site.
So it's your risk and your choice to operate your site. As you said, it's a resource for lost wetlook media.
Leonmoomin |
In reply to Message (69031.1.1) not stolen, old public candid clips over 6-10 yrs old
By Babyspet - samlovesdachshunds@gmail.com Mon 19/12/16 21:22:04 GMT Website: http://www.babyspet.com// babyspet.com stolen is stealing from copyrite material produced specifically for one purpose..(sale) We have collected old wetlook clips/pics from days gone by that were put up by persons who just wanted to become a star on youtube by doing silly things, one that just happens to be water.....After awhile when the fame wears away, they take the clips down from public view, but we collected them for our personal viewing pleasure and to make a large multiple collection of material gone by and then realease it for a small cost is called business sense.....You know it took time to collect these, let them age and then someone has to do the work to research, and then put them up for people to see...Why does this forum have so so many people that always want something for FREE? Not everyone is that way, just a few that think they are entitled...Do those people go around in society thinking the world owes them a living and they are entitled to everything others have worked for and them to get it free? Don't know what you call it in the rest of the world, but in the United States it is called WELLFARE...and lots of working class people here oppose it... If by any chance we accidentally have something of copyrite, then we ask the originator to please let us know by e-mail and we will remove any such material at once, but what was put up as people just for fun and laughter, they never intended for it to be a business for wetlook fans and most of them probally don't even know what they are doing by supplying a fetish for them anyhow...If they knew, you can bet the video would have never been posted......So all we try and do is give people a look at yesteryear, that they never saw before in mass quantities and not just a few thread post on forums...Show us anyone elese who would take the time to collect and post 5000 over time re-release these youtubes, and other such host of downloadable videos thru the years and then take the time to make a special offer for them to compensate their time doing such for the community...There is no free lunch anywhere and we make just enough to pay the cost to operate paying domain name and host space...Thanks..BP |
In reply to Message (69031.1) No cent for stolen videos
By Max - Sun 18/12/16 20:14:27 GMT No cent for stolen videos |
In reply to Message (69031) all new videos uploaded on site
By Babyspet - samlovesdachshunds@gmail.com Sat 17/12/16 19:50:55 GMT Website: http://www.babyspet.com// babyspet.com All new video clips have been added to babyspet.com....Well over 600 clips and thousands of pictures series...PLUS right now if you join, we have been searching new material and found wetlook clip from utubes that we believe have NOT been posted to any forums..You will be given 5 special uploads to these candid wetlook videos when you join babyspet.com today and become a member now thru December 31st. So you get a 6 month membership and we update again in January, plus we will send you links to some surprise wetlook videos.....All for you when you join babyspet.com...
regards BP
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