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Message # 34991.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Subject: ...use ear plugs Date: Tue 01/04/08 19:55:44 GMT Name: MK Email: wamtec@comcast.net |
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One should not discount rock festivals, just because the music sucks....I hate techno too, and am not a fan of raves either, but some of the best wet and mud scenes can be found if you go to the GLASTONBURY annual music festival in the UK....or the OTOCEC music festival in Slovenia
and don't forgot the MAINFLINGEN summer concerts by the lake in Germany too...those are great for wetlook too.
Leon and Akuna have all made some terrfic pool party videos at night clubs in the UK and Germany...and those DVDs are great.....cos YOU CAN TURN THE DOWN ...ha ha...and enjoy them much better when you turn the sound down to practically zero.
I agree with you about Techno music at StreetParade and LoveParade....it is about as enjoyable as somebody hammering on your skull for 20 minutes.
Techno was invented...as torture device intentionally created to keep "old people" over 40 away from attending such events...ha ha
MK
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In reply to Message (34991.1.2.1.1.1.1) Re: Zurich is boring....you must be joking
By Mahony - Tue 01/04/08 16:13:58 GMT That evaluation was based on some paper from Western Europe. Polish media just talked about it, but it wasn't made here, so I don't now much about it. They evaluated Warsaw in a sadly right way... But maybe they didn't do the same with Zurich. And maybe, they did. Maybe other then the parade nothing there happens? I have no idea. I'd just been there once and quite a long time ago. It seemed nice, but I generally like each place I visit, so I'm not really objective. Anyway, I forgot about the Parade. It's not my cup of tea. Rock festivals like Szeged in Hungary or Oulu in Finland are the only ones on my map of Europe. Techno parades are not my cup of tea ;P
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In reply to Message (34991.1.2.1.1.1) Re: Zurich is boring....you must be joking
By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Tue 01/04/08 15:40:19 GMT Interesting write-up.
But I know FOR SURE that it is impossible for Zurich to be the most boring city in Europe...that is totally impossible...because Zurich has the best and largest street parade and techno festival in all Europe now.....and now Zurich street parade is much much bigger and better than the original Berlin Love Parade (where Zurich copied the idea from). Berlin Love Parade used to be very good (and for wetlook fans) in the 1990's, but then it went downhill, cos they had severe financial problems to organize things properly in Berlin, and then some bright spark decided to drain the ponds and fountains so there was no place to cool off any more, and then they cancelled it in some years due to financial problems. Meanwhile...the smart people in Zurich saw how good the Berlin Love Parade used to be, so they copied the idea and created their own STREETPARADE festival, and they based it near the lake where people can cool off, and set up street shower sprays for people to cool off in the streets too....they really set things up nicely, and now you can go there each summer and see lots of great wetlook....the official site is here
But you can finds hundreds of better pics on the photo sites, and see Carl Soak's videos of the wetlook events in the street showers too.
Here is clear evidence of what I was talking about....i.e. you create an event....and you create millions on tourist dollars if you organize things well. Here are some actual stats for you. In the 1990's, when the Berlin Love Parade was better, they started doing the same thing in Zurich, and in the early years they only has 10,000 people at Zurich Street Parade.....but by the year 2001.....there were now ONE MILLION tourists going to Street Parade.....and for the last 5 years they have averaged 800,000 to one million tourists each year (all the while the Berlin Love Parade declined and got worse). The stats are right here for you to see...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Parade
If your organize something...and you do it well.....then the people WILL come.
And as for Zurich being the most boring city in Europe....thats baloney.....cos how can the city that has the largest street festival in Europe...with one million people attending....be boring.
I have not been to Zurich since the 1970's...when I used to go there on business trips, and I never recall the place as being boring. I only remember it as being incredibly EXPENSIVE....and thinking what a beautiful city it was....only I could never afford to live there.
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In reply to Message (34991.1.2.1.1) Wetlook in Poland... not all bleak, but not on dyngus!
By Mahony - Tue 01/04/08 03:44:57 GMT Yes, well you are right in esentialls, but please remember that Warsaw, together with financial capital Zurich boasts the title of "Europe's Most Boring City" and is the only winner of the title when we confined to just the EU. And that stupid contest sadly sums it up. Of course it's not all that bad and Poland is worth a visit, but to see some architectural pearls, nature in the raw - hardly seen anywhere else in Europe anymore and so on. But generally not for the "parties". That's just the way it is. But if you want wetlook in Poland there is a good option, though you never see it on TV. Gdynia, the Baltic coast's second largest city has a beach right in the centre of town beetween the cities main clubs, tourist attractions and shopping mall. So you can see loads of girls in normal clothes wet there during the summer months. And then the weather is quite a good factor, cause a cold 17C in the morning can change to 27C in the afternoon in Poland in July. And such days are the best. Tons of girls get wet then and as many dressed in the morning, long jeans and sleeves are a norm, not the skimpy stuff you may see in Spain for instance.To sum it up in the last years you could get decent photos from Poland, but only by coming in July and August. Then on any given day you could usually get more photos then on any of the last Dyngus's. Also in Warsaw, as the number of fountains here has tripled lately and all malls and office buildings with outdoor fountains seem to have become wetlook friendly. Thus on a for instance 27C day in Warsaw I really don't know where to go... Warsaw's traditional "beach" in Pole Mokotowskie park where lots of people sit all day and bath in clothes, Arkadia Mall - Poland's biggest and most popular mall, which beats everything when for instance a teenage trip from a smaller city comes and 20 or more girls, dressed elegantly (as they do when they come to visit the "big city) gets wet or all the touristy fountains like does in strict downtown or near the old town, which get a share of wetlook. So it's not bleak. But wetlook months are strictly summer hear. With good wetlook minmally from June to August and maximally from late April to early October. With Gdynia and the baltic coast getting wetlook action in June the earliest and usually later as the sea itself gets a barebale temperature by then. But even coming in summer, you can't forget the weather! In 2006 Warsaw was fried with temperatures of up to 36C (a real record here) all summer long and the city kept all the fountains going, for wetlook purposes (well, to let people cool down as they called it) even in spite of water restrictions. And then you get a summer like that in 2007, with temperatures of over 20C rare and almost constant rain, especially on the coast. And you waste tons of money (like me) on a hotel in Gdynia just to see about 10 girls get wet daily on a good day and almost none on a bad one... the hourly amonunt for 2006 :). OKay, that was the little Rough Guide to Polish Wetlook. Anyway, come down here in the summer if you want to see it's not all bleak, but also that generally what you purpose is not possible here. I will gladely act as your guide and can put you up in Warsaw for free. M.
PS: By the way, the popular weekend destination of Kazimierz Dolny (an old Jewish town, halfway between Warsaw and Lublin) has an organized Dyngus. They pull out the cities fire trucks into the main town square and get everyone soaked. Well, at least that's what it was. The tradition happened also this year, but with only one fire truck and a grand total of two people getting near enough to get wet. And the firefighters then had a lot of trouble with getting rid of the water in the square, that had in the evening turned to ice :D |
In reply to Message (34991.1.2.1) Re: dyngus day
By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Mon 31/03/08 20:45:20 GMT It is true that most of the countries that stage wet festivals are either in very hot countries, or they have them in the summer months when the weather is warmer.
But there are also very successful wet scenes in very COLD conditions too. Just checkout the dozens of "Special Olympics" events and websites in 16 different states in the USA...and their "Polar Plunge" and Penguin Plunge" events. All you have to do is type those words on flickr.com and you can find thousands of pics, and those events are very successful and draw thousands of people and raise millions of dollars for charity too.
Some countries like Germany have managed to take old traditions like the "Gautchfest" dunking events of new apprentices...and turn those events into major tourist attractions, and the weather is Germany is not hot when they do those events.
Similarly in Austria and Switzerland you have at least 20 different "Dirndl" water dunking events taking place too, and those have evolved from being an old tradition...to being a tourist attraction too.
Your description of Poland sounds very bleak...I am sure it is not as bad as you make it out to be, cos basically you are saying that it is not a good time to visit anytime from Jan to December...and we need to wait another 50 years until "Global Warming" melts the ice caps... ha ha....and I cannot wait that long.
BTW....what you describe about the people in the city objecting to the water throwing and calling the cops....that is EXACTLY how things used to be in Bangkok, Thailand in the mid 1990's, and the water throwing was causing so many disturbances and traffic accidents in the city (i.e. people getting knocked off their motorbikes due to water attacks).....that the city came up with a simple solution. That is, 10 years ago they totally BANNED water throwing during the festival in the main city areas...but they created one "designated area" (called Khao San Rd...next to the Grand Palace park) and they closed off the traffic to that area, and just told people that they must confine all their water throwing celebrations to this one street only....and that is how Bangkok is today...i.e. Songkran activities are banned all over the main city...and only allowed if you go to this one area along Khao San Rd.
That is what they could easily do in Warsaw too....and the cold weather should not be a factor....cos there are thousands of pics you can find on the net of people in the UK and Scandinavia who go for Polar Bear swims etc...and even more such pics on the U.S. sites sponsored by Special Olympics.
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In reply to Message (34991.1.2) Re: dyngus day
By Mahony - Mon 31/03/08 17:51:52 GMT What news reports did you expect with snow on the ground. it's worth checking Warsaw for instance on weather.com before even trying. Easter can be cold here and this one was a record since I think the 1970s.
We had nothing to record this year.
As for the de-centalized events, well these traditions are getting less and less popular. The climate has changed here. Summers have become very hot and winters rarely see much snow, but not every time of the year has seen warming. Spring time has had some very unusual cold waves lately, and dyngus in such weather is really no fun. Not only with -1 to 2 celsius, like this year, but also 6 - 7 celsius and rain, like last. Most TV material are archives from the nineties, when we had some dynguses with temperaturs like 24C. Anyway, nowadays with such weather most people don't like the tradition and call the cops.
As for generating tourist dollars, Poland doesn't do that well. We generally don't promote the country (like many in our region) and it's attractions. This has changed a bit lately, with for instance Krakow getting on to the main tourist map, but that's only lately and in that time dynguses were poor. And anyway, holidays are not a good time to visit. On easter everything is closed, except a few bars and restaurants and maybe some cinemas (though many of these are in shopping malls that are closed by law on easter and can't open) and Poles spend time with there family, so it's just plain boring to come here at that time. And anyway, to top it off, airports are in total mayhem and completely blocked around easter (and christmas) as Poles working outside the country come back home to the families and also many young and less traditional Poles go the other way around to storm the Alps, Tunisia or the Canary Islands. So generally this wouldn't work IMHO.
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In reply to Message (34991.1) Re: dyngus day
By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Mon 31/03/08 14:09:59 GMT It happened last monday (dyngus day is always Easter Monday), and I set my vcr to record the Polish tv channels on my dish system but they only showed about 10 seconds of water throwing clips on the tv news reports, and nothing of any substanc worth saving.
I was hoping the wet fans in Poland would be able to record better scenes from their Polish tv channels, cos we only get 2 Polish channels in my region in Florida.
The problem with Dyngus Day celebrations are that they are totally de-centralized, and disorganized. By that I mean, with the water throwing festivals in Spain, China, Burma, Cambodia, Panama, Ecuador and Thailand -- those are all "centralized" and "organized" ..i.e. you know exactly where to go to see stuff happening, cos those events are specifically organized to occur in centralized locations...so you know where to go to capture things. With the water throwing festivals in Poland and Hungary, those are completely "random" events that can happen spontaneously in any part of the city or rural areas, so you have no chance to see events, unless you happen to be lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.
If the local authorities in Poland were smart, they could generate millions in tourist dollars, if they just created a centralized location for these celebrations...e.g. like a county fairground or something. This is what they have done in Spain and Korea and Thailand and Panama -- they have turned sleepy little towns that had no tourist industry at all....into megabucks tourist attractions that get 100,000 visitors each year, by exploiting their festivals so that many foreign tourists come to see them.
MK
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In reply to Message (34991) dyngus
By uwe - Mon 31/03/08 12:42:29 GMT A nice dyngus-day link I found:
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/51,53600,4046488.html?i=0
How about this years pics????
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