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Subject: Crown Thank you MK and wetlook world forum!!

Date: Sat 10/11/18 07:21:31 GMT

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Thank you MK for providing this splendid forum and everything that goes with it, even the garbage.
In reply to Message (75169.2.1.1.2.1) None Re:this forum has to pay $350 per month for it's [sic] server & hosting costs

By MK - wamtec@comcast.net gb Fri 09/11/18 17:25:58 GMT

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FYI this site is hosted on a server at TheMothership hosting company - the same company where I have had many of my websites hosted since 2002. I have leased servers from them for years so I know what the prices are for a dedicated server. I used to lease 2 servers from TheMothership and so I know what it costs. It is true that you can host several websites off the same server.

 

The option to a dedicated server is a shared server, where you pay no server costs and you share the server space with several other clients and their websites... and then you pay 30% of your website sales income to the mothership in lieu of having to pay server leasing fees (same deal when you host with UMD) HOWEVER.....the 70/30 income share plan for a shared server only works for websites that generate SALES....and this forum does not generate any regular income so it would not be eligible for the shared server plan and therefore they have to pay for a dedicated server.

 

FYI I stopped leasing dedicated servers with the Mothership 4 years ago, because I had to move my largest sites off their system due to a policy change they made where they would no longer allow Candid media in their system and they would not allow Streaming sites to be on their servers either, and my 2 largest sites involved candid media (The Megastore) and streaming (Wamflix.com) so I had to find an alternative hosting company to lease my servers from. I had 2 servers @ $350 per month each on the mothership system before, and moved all my large sites to 2 dedicated servers in Canada, and I can assure you that those are not cheaper than Mothership servers prices, cos now I am paying almost $400 per month for each server.

 

Sure.....you can find a kid who has a server in his basement and will offer to host your site on his personal sever for $200 per month.....but those kinds of hosting arrangements are not professional hosting companies with 24/7 tech suppoort. We cannot afford to use an amateur with a personal server...because our sites get constant  DOS attacks from hackers and require high security and constant monitoring and ongoing tech support to keep them online.

 

Our sites have different needs to this forum......i.e. our sites have a huge amount of data storage needs (over 20TB in data storage) while our traffic (bandwidth) is relatively moderate. This forum has very tiny data storage needs (it does not host any pics or videos, and all it has is a few hundred pages of text threads)....so this forum is a tiny tiny tiny site.....but...it has a HUGE daily traffic ...i.e. it is the 2nd most visited site in the WAM world (after UMD) and is the number 1 site for visitors in the Wetlook World.  So, this site has a tiny amount of data but has huge bandwidth needs.

 

All I can say is, I know the numbers with the Mothership hosting company for the last 16 years.....and anybody who thinks they can host this forum for cheaper prices has not had any first hand experience of hosting a website.....

 

If you try to host this forum with some amateur or kid with a basement server.....instead of using a professiional hosting company with 24/7 tech support staff...then what you will get is something like the Deutsche Wetlook Forum.....a forum that has a terrible track record for going down all the time.

 

MK

In reply to Message (75169.2.1.1.2) Confused this forum has to pay $350 per month for it's [sic] server & hosting costs

By He Who Doubts - uu Fri 09/11/18 13:03:13 GMT

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I have a hard time believing this statement.  Unless:

- it includes the server/hosting cost of the minxmovies.com video library which of course is a commercial revenue stream that offsets this cost

- it's a 20-year old hosting contract that has never been reassessed or renegotiated

 

That said, all for MK's suggestion to limit commercial postings and make for a balanced mix of candid and producer content!  

In reply to Message (75169.2.1.1) None Re: This forum has not been one for a long time

By MK - wamtec@comcast.net gb Fri 09/11/18 02:12:25 GMT

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Well, historically things have always been this way since 1996, and same goes for the UMD site for wet & messy fans set up in 1998, and same goes for the Styx forums that were created in the early 2000's......i.e. wetlook fan postings and wetlook producer postings have always co-existed together in the same forums.

 

The only forum I know of that does things the way you folks are suggesting....i..e segregating the fan postings for discussions and stories from the producer promo postings into separate sub forums is the Underwater Fans forum, which is located at Aquafans.net which has sub forums separating the fan postings from the producer postings. On the Aquafans forums they have specific rules that say the producers can only post to the produicers sub-form, and they cannot post to the discussions forum unless they are discussing a topic of interest. It has been this way since the Aquafans forum was created in 1996. However since many producers are also the financial supporters of the Aquafans forum via paying for ad banners on the forum, then if this forum were to change to a similar system then the business expense model for the site would need to change. On the Aquafans forum there are regular pledge drives to pay for the monthly hostings of the forum. Most of that is borne by the producers, and users who do not want to see banners and therefore users have to upgrade to a paid premium  membership that hides all the ad banners.  

 

Similarly this forum has to pay $350 per month for it's server and hosting costs and the fans are not the ones providing financial support for this forum, Nigel and the producers are. So....when you consider the options...which would you prefer....

 

A) A totally free forum that is funded by Nigel and some of the producers, and in exchange for a free forum for fans you have to put up with some banners and producers postings....or...

 

B) A forum that offers people the option for an ad-free forum (hidden banners) where all producers are required to use a producer avatar that hides all their postings (or segregates them to a separate sub forum for producers) and that option is offered if you upgrade your user profile to a premium membership and for $5 per momth all producer related stuff disappears.

 

I know that Nigel does not want to change the way things have always been....so nothing is likely to change. However, I think a small compromise can be reached by asking the producers to

 

a) use a special producers icon for their postings, so that thiose folks who do not want to see those items can easily spot them and ignore those threads

b) If producers are commingled with fan posts then I would like to see more restraint from Producers and etiquette rules followed.....e..g. on the UMD forum they have an etiquette rule that says producers should limit their promotions to no more that 1 promotion or 1 posting per day ...because 1 producer post on any day is not spam, but 3-4 postngs by the same producer on the same day can be called spam.. That etiquette is observed by the producers on the UMD forum.....but on this forum there are often several separate postings from the same producer every day....which is part of the problem. It would be nice if producers (me included) would post no more than 1 promotion per day...because some restraint needs to be exercised for sake of the fans.

 

That is my 2 cents

 

MK  

In reply to Message (75169.2.1) Hello Re: This forum has not been one for a long time

By Malvineous - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com gb Thu 08/11/18 23:12:19 GMT

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I guess it depends what you mean by "forum".

 

To my mind, a forum is a place for discussion, which this site is not. You may spark a few responses, but in-depth discussion and debate doesn't work here, as most people won't get involved. (Whether this has ever changed, I don't know; so far as I can recollect, it has not.)

 

In terms of commercial vs candid (and personal candid vs produced candid) vs personal, I consider that to be a wholly separate issue. This balance may well have changed, but that should be framed as a different observation.

 

This site is less of a forum than itis a link posting site, be that personal or commercial. Without having a post-free thumbs up button, you have the problem that if everyone who is thankful were to respond as such, you'd flood out the site.

 

I've yet to see an actual wetlook discussion forum, as the Styx forum was worse -- too many humourless people there.

In reply to Message (75169.2) None Re: This forum has not been one for a long time

By sask - saskprowler6200@gmail.com uu Thu 08/11/18 22:33:31 GMT

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Nigel does everything for us and because of Nigel we all come here and share a common intrest,Nigel is our freind and we all will defend him So if you dont like the way Nigel runs the forum plz go elsewhere.
In reply to Message (75169) None This forum has not been one for a long time

By Anonymous - uu Thu 08/11/18 16:18:25 GMT

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This forum has not been one for a long time

This forum is rather a spam box for so-called  "wetlook producers"

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