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Message # 732220.127.116.11.1.1
Subject: Re:Skirts/Pants paradox
Date: Sat 05/05/18 21:37:26 GMT
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|I agree, some of the Japanese sites hit the mark as far as outfits go, but I generally don't care for the models. I find too many of them look child-like to me - they may be "of age", but usually small and slender, with small breasts and narrow hips. Some of the Western girls aren't all that different - referring to the girls / videos I mentioned, Lorna and Isobel are both gorgeous girls who show terrific on-camera personality, but they don't quite have that "hourglass" build that I find most appealing. As I said - there are a lot of variables.|
|In reply to Message (73218.104.22.168.1) Re:Skirts/Pants paradox
Anthony pretty much sums up how I feel about wetlook except I don't really care about see through and I like shower scenes best (as long as the lighting is favorable) since they tend to show the outfits at their maximum wetness. Many pool scenes spend too much time underwater for my personal taste. It's the getting out of the water that's the payoff for me. As for outfits, with some exceptions jeans and leggings have become so commonplace in wetlook as to become almost boring to me. I know that I'm seemingly in the minority here but I liken it to the old sayings, "absence makes the heart grow fonder" & "too much of a good thing". I have to wonder how some of the producers whose products are so heavily jeans related don't get a little tired of the same old, same old all the time. I'm not opposed to pants/slacks/trousers but prefer dress type slacks to casual attire. A nice pantsuit is quit appealing but for me skirts, dresses and skirt suits are the most interesting.
BTW along with Leon, EdwinR, Flaviu & the now sadly defunct Wetlook Paradise some of the better sites for more formal attire are the Japanese sites:
Office Lady Special http://officeladyspecial-wetmessyrip-uniform.com/
Soaked Women - Fetish in Suit http://soakedwoman.jp/en/
Full Clothing Wet and Messy http://wam.hp-site.com/fcwtopmenu.html
|In reply to Message (73222.214.171.124) Re:Skirts/Pants paradox
By AnthonyX - email@example.com Sat 05/05/18 18:39:44 GMT
I'd like to add my two cents as a long-time purchaser of wetlook.
My preference is as EdR describes - women in dresses or skirts & jackets, stockings/pantyhose and heels - in general, "conservative/classic" business attire. But I also prefer to see swimming pool scenes rather than baths/showers or beach/river scenes. Why?
"Full coverage" - the more bare skin, the less I see it as wetlook and the more it is just a girl in water.
As EdR says, business wear is totally inappropriate as swimwear, making it so much more interesting than jeans and t-shirts, although there is something to be said for nice clingy/see-through tops.
Baths/showers limit the model's movement and camera angles or seem overly "artificial" action - intending to soak their outfit as opposed to "just happened" to get soaked while nicely dressed.
Beaches and riverbanks aren't "heel friendly" - models often struggle with footing where pools offer hard surfaces so the models often appear more relaxed and could conceivably be more "into" enjoying the moment - and a scene can play out with a more spontaneous "feel" despite it obviously being staged.
Styx put Lorna in a shower wearing a suit http://season2.styxtake2.com/cgi/autogal.pl?vidnum=tws-299-0096 - great outfit, nice exception to my "shower" remark because she seems to be having a whole lot of fun with that shampoo product.
Styx put Marianne in a pool wearing a suit http://payperview.styxtake2.com/cgi/autogal.pl?vidnum=tws-79-0054 - plays out in the just the sort of way I like - as if the model happens upon a pool and can't resist going for a swim despite her outfit. Yes I know it's directed/staged (sometimes obviously so), but it's not too difficult to imagine the action as spontaneous
EdR has done a nice one with Isobel Wren https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/56421/9409917/Isobel+Wren+in+Biz+suit+and+pool - great outfit; although the action is more directed than spontaneous for the sake of the still camera, although there are a few spontaneous moments
One of the last Wetlook Paradise videos had Alejandra at a pool party in business suit https://wetlook-paradise.umd.net/download_info/poolparty-in-business-costume_2 - One of my all-time favourite scenes because of her outfit and how she was able to show it off. She was obviously posing for the cameras (still and video), not even looking like she was just having fun in the moment, although there is a moment where she is swimming - just sort of sculling, looking very like she was enjoying herself.
My point is that scenes like these are "worth the money" for me because they put all the right elements together (or at least most of them):
A model I find attractive (I'm "old-school" - hourglass is the ideal body type)
An outfit that the model looks good in and has absolutely "no business" being in a bathtub, shower, or swimming pool, complete with hosiery and footwear
An outfit that doesn't leave a lot of exposed skin - bare legs, short skirts, sleeveless dresses, plunging necklines - might as well be wearing a one-piece Baywatch swimsuit.
A location that makes it easy for the model to move around i.e. swimming pool
Action that could at least be imagined to be spontaneous (even though we all know it isn't)
The more of these elements, the more a scene is worth to me, and the more likely I will buy it. I'll buy some scenes that miss a bit here or there because they are worth it in other ways.
I don't know how well I represent the typical paying consumer, but here at least is one point of reference.
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By EdR - firstname.lastname@example.org Fri 04/05/18 21:56:45 GMT
I'd like to interject a few things here. MK is naturally correct, generally speaking. I began producing my own material because there was a niche in wetlook that I felt wasn't represented and I decided to do that
As to the 3 kinds of wetlook. Modelled wetlook is what we do. I actually find issues with 1) Candid and 2) TV and movie wetlook. As to candid, the girls may actually choose their own clothes and for some this may be the appeal. But In my opinion, most girls don't know how to dress themselves. Today everyone dresses casually, and while that's absolutely ok, it's also often the case that casual can be a bit sloppy. Casual is a pair of jeans and some sort of shirt and typically flip flops. I personally liked the fashions of yesterday when women would dress up to go shopping or jump on an airplane. They took pride in their appearance in public. For me, there is a greater appeal to see a well dressed woman get wet, but most candid scenes are just too casual for my tastes.
TV and Movie wetlook is what I had access to when I was growing up as a kid. And it was always either hit or miss. Some scenes may have been pretty good, but most of the time, I was disappointed. Typically when a good wetlook scene occurred, the show went to commercial. And when you returned, the scene was over. The most frustrating kinds of disappointments were shows which always featured really well dressed actresses for the entire show. Except when a wetlook scene was part of the script. Its as if the actresses had "wetlook ESP" and they woke up and said to themselves. "I better not wear that sexy one piece dress with the plunging neckline and those high heels because I predict that today I'll be trapped in a water tank fighting for my life, or caught in the rain. So let me put on this pair of jeans and cheap sneakers and go casual"! Need an example? the original Charlie's Angels!!! Three gorgeous women but nearly every wetlook scene, they always seemed to somehow know to dress down. Sure they can kick ass in that hot 70s disco dress and run after criminals in high heels, but if they got near water, they were ready for it in casual clothes and shoes.
I actually prefer modeled wetlook because yes, we can control what the models wear. Theres no need to be disappointed in sloppy, casual and ill fitting clothes that normal girls who can't dress themselves, wear. And we don't have "wetlook ESP" or commercial breaks that end the scene
For me, the more inappropriate an outfit is for getting wet, the better! Flip flops, never! Jeans? Yes, but only if it complements the entire look. High heels? Definitely! "Dry Clean only" It's going in my pool. Leather and Lace? You'll see it underwater.
BTW, in case you didn't know, most of our models participate in the outfit selections. In some situations they wear their own clothes and their own high heels for our shoots.
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By MK - email@example.com Fri 04/05/18 17:42:23 GMT
Good topic for discussion. Bear in mind that there are 3 kinds of wetlook
1) Candid Wetlook or Public Wetlook: where the girls choose their own clothes based upon the latest fashion trends and their own personal tastes...I call this "real wetlook"
2) TV and Movie Wetlook: where the producer and director determine what the wardrobe department hands to the girls...so the choices made are based on scripts and getting ratings.
3) Modelled Wetlook: where all the clothing choices are entirely the vision of the wetlook producer, and is pandered wetlook -- not necessarily the girls choices
What your preferences are (as a male) over women's clothing may not be relevant. If women's clothing choices were based on what the majority of males prefer, then most women on this planet would still be like Eve before she bit the apple.
I cannot speak for others, but I can speak for myself and say that I feel a fetish interest for me is always something that is "rare" and is in the minority. If a subject is the majority...then it is "common" and uninteresting to me. In the 1960's and 70's wet t shirt scenes used to be interesting to me, but today they are so common and passe they no longer interest me.....so if something is in the minority that is a good thing for me.
But the real reason that most wetlook producers shoot jeans and pants as opposed to skirts and dresses is a simple one....all wetlook producers interject their own personal tastes into their media and the majority of wetlook producers are hobbyists who just want to pursue their hobby and have some fun, so they create media to please themselves, and they do not aim to pander to a general audience. The larger commercial producers are far more diversified in their content offerings, because they have large production expenses so they cater to a wider audience to cover their costs.
Russ Meyer was a cult movie director who only produced movies that always had women with gigantic breasts in every film.....because that was his style...you never saw a woman with small breasts in his films.. It really does not matter what the majority wants....if you make the decision to become a wetlook producer you will create your own style and adopt your own preferences.
Bear in mind that is how most wetlook producers got started in the first place, because they were not satisfied with what others were doing, so they decided to do stuff themselves. In my case, I thank Hugh Hefner of Playboy for inspiring me, because when he released his "Wet and Wild" video series, those were so lack lustre and off the mark for me, I decided that if nobody was doing what liked, then I would my hire own models and do stuff myself. I once remember doing a wetlook shoot in the 1990's where I had all the girls wearing "Dynasty dresses" (silky dresses with shoulder pads....that I acquired from an antique clothing store). The girls were laughing and complaining about having to wear these dresses....saying they were old fashioned and out of style....and I had to explain to them that their opinions did not matter...because were were not shooting this video for their benefit...but for fetish fans. Similarly I had numerous arguments with the models over underwear.....because most of them preferred to wear g string or thongs....and they hated me because we were always giving them larger style underwear to wear. The girls were always saying to me "oh no......do we have to wear Granny panties again". Not to mention all the debates I had with models when we asked them to wear pantyhose....which they hated.
|In reply to Message (73296) Skirts/Pants paradox
I like to see wet skirts and dresses since I was a child. I always download sets where a skirt or a dress appears. I prefer long skirts/dresses.
However, most of material you can find at wetlook webpages is about pants, leggings, trousers...
I don't know, I guess guys prefers pants than skirts, which is totally reasonable, respectable and I don't have anything to argue of. However, it is curious to see some pages where guys prefer girls wearing skirts than pants, for example this one:
where 74% of guys prefer to see girls in skirts. How is it possible, then, to have a so huge percentage of wetlook material with pants/trousers? Does this means that in wetlook is preferably to see this kind of clothing instead of skirts?
I know that there are producers that have a lot of material with skirts, but in my opinion the material offered with pants/leggings/trousers is might be over 85% of all the wetlook material, something that I don't understand.
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to discuss it.
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